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Feb 1Liked by Joshua P. Hill

it’s not that people who are pissed off at biden will hand trump the presidency. it’s that (mostly yt) people who are encouraging others not to vote at all in november or to vote third party are going to hand him the presidency. as a black woman and a communist, I’m pissed at every politician constantly, but voting is the bare minimum alleged allies can do. what those people should be doing is extra-electoral work, but because they’re lazy and think that voting is the only form of activism they don’t even consider that.

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I agree with you completely, Josh. Choosing between the two parties is choosing between two brands of fascism: the one that supports genocide and the other one.

Do third party candidates have a chance? I think about Jill Stein and Cornel West, and think either of them would make a far better president.

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“At this moment many of us are rightly scared of a second Trump term. And that fear, combined with the mentality and direction taken by the leaders of the party, has a decent number of lifelong Democrats thinking that what they ought to do is shame, rebuke, or generally antagonize and fearmonger people into voting blue. My counter-argument to this approach is simple, and comes down to this: it doesn’t work.”

I was going to write a Medium blog about this but you beat me to it. Thank you for articulating this. I’m a queer liberal zoomer but I’m not 100% sure I’m going to vote for Biden and I’m tired of some Democrats’ nastiness towards anyone who is considering voting third party. :/

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I am reading all of these responses to voting by people who are genuinely fearful of Trump. He is a monster, as I will attest to. But tell me this folks— who here can really absolve Biden and Netanyahu of the genocidal role they took in the Gaza Massacres. One after another died many babies and premature babies died as well. There were 50,000 pregnant Palestinian women, and many now are prepping to deliver have no clean water or food or any medical supplies as they destroyed all of the hospitals. Almost 400 doctors were murdered in the hospitals they served that were filled with sick patients. How can you justify this type of monstrous actions and still be okay with it. So Genocide Joe is all you have to clutch onto when we have other alternatives out there? Why aren’t you insisting with everyone that Joe isn’t the one. He’s way down in the polls, so if you are smart pressure the DNC to give up the ship on Joe. They just found hundreds of bodies of dead Palestinian men who were shot inthe head execution style in Northern Gaza. So how is this a good thing. An entire nation destroyed by Israel and the US, and how do you feel we are not in a dictatorship already? Aren’t activists being punished all over this nation right now for speaking out about genocide? This is not free speech at all. This already is a dictatorship—let’s face it and move on! Palestinian students have been targeted even Jewish voices for peace are being targeted in their hobs because certain people who support Israel are forcing it through AIPAC. Our own Senators have taken millions of graft from AIPAC. Even in my state where there are probably ten Jews and maybe one Zionist lives here. But we are not well represented, in light of the large sums of money and corruption that exists now. So you can try and scare me with Trump but frankly Biden’s behind in the polls and it doesn’t look good for as long has he holds onto Israel. By the way— I took a pill in my class on current events. I asked my students if they heard about what is going on in Gaza overseas. I asked them what they thought and they stated in general they were really horrified and then I asked all 25 of them to show hands who would or would not vote for Biden again this time around. They all raised their hands in a resounding, “No.” All 25 of them. I asked them how they were registered, and they said Democrat of course. I asked again how many students weee forwarding the posts about Gaza and most of my students were not reposting, and they said it was out of fear because they do also feel they live in a dictatorship, which is very sad but true. They see ahead and see possible future pressure on them. But this is a definite sign. It’s a sign that many people now are even afraid to speak out, but they realize they are sick and tired of the problems that our corrupt politicians perpetrate! Oh yes they are voting but not for Biden and they won’t vote for Trump. And how can any feminist see these women’s issues and not stand up for women here. But then there is racial issues. People are genuinely racist want to look the other way because Palestinian lives obviously don’t match up to our own selfish American lives, even though our nation is causing this human suffering unnecessarily. You fakers should be ashamed of yourselves. Just say you are a white settler colonizer and get it over with. I’m tired of everyone saying 45 is worse. Biden isn’t any better. He’s cruel

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One harsh way to look at this is to consider whether you would have voted for Humphrey in 1968, who was closer to LBJ than he wanted to admit. No? Hooray for Nixon!

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In the now mostly sham democracies of the West, it is clearly lobbies that determine policy. Once sometimes effective, marching and movements now achieve next to nothing. What is successful? The NRA, the fossil fuel lobby, the MIC lobby, and arguably the most successful of all, the Israel lobby. Maybe this is a dark thought, but is it possible to imagine a lobby of the 99%, able to buy legislators just like the other lobbies do? I have seen figures suggesting Biden has taken around $4.5 million from the Israel lobby. A mass lobby of the 99% could easily raise that, surely?

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In the now mostly sham democracies of the West, it is clearly lobbies that determine policy. Once sometimes effective, marching and movements now achieve next to nothing. What is successful? The NRA, the fossil fuel lobby, the MIC lobby, and arguably the most successful of all, the Israel lobby. Maybe this is a dark thought, but is it possible to imagine a lobby of the 99%, able to buy legislators just like the other lobbies do? I have seen figures suggesting Biden has taken around $4.5 million from the Israel lobby. A mass lobby of the 99% could easily raise that, surely?

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A couple metaphors come to mind:

1. A student fails a test and whines to the teacher, "Why did you give me an F?"

"I didn't give you an F, you gave yourself an F"

2. A mediocre employee who imagines that they are irreplaceable engages in multiple acts of insubordination and gets fired for those acts. And their mediocre performance.

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for anyone interested in options outside the dem/republican spectrum:

votesocialist2024.com

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Honestly, it could be a lot worse. Trump and Biden are both so old and caught up. I’ll take old, tired snd self involved sociopaths over young and creative ones any day. There’s so much extreme discourse in the country right now. Better to have the same blahh than risk the next Hitler coming to power. I fear we live with in an age where that’s an actual possibility.

Overall the democrats do way more to protect the earth and human rights. Even if it’s still wildly misguided.

Trump wouldn’t support Palestine either. I mean, he’d lie about it but then would do nothing.

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I'm not going to shame anyone for their voting decision. Your vote is your right. But I hope you realize the political bind Biden is in. If he calls for a ceasefire, he will alienate probably a larger block of voters than satisfy young people who have low voting attendance to begin with.

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